Friday, September 02, 2005

Hijab Again

Hijabed women continue to give the Big Pharoah a lot of grief it seems. Poor guy.

Check it out. It's actually quite interesting.

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Blogger BP said...

You are simply misrepresenting my stand. Hijabed women do not bring me grief, hijab does. Many of my friends whom I respect so much are hijabed and most of them will be upset if they read my post. I never discuss the personality of hijab wearers, I discuss the concept. It is my right to do so.

You have a good blog by the way. Keep it up.

9/02/2005 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger LouLou said...

"You are simply misrepresenting my stand."

Not really. Wasn't representing your position there so much as my reaction to it. Was just being ironic. Nothing personal but I always find it difficult to take these anti-hijab crusades seriously. Same goes for pro-hijab crusades actually. This obssession with what a woman chooses to cover or uncover is frankly quite ridiculous. As if we solved all our problems & now all we have left to worry about is fashion!

But I was careful to link to your post so everyone can go & see for themselves what your position is in your own words.


"It is my right to do so."

Sure it is. But once you put an argument out in the public sphere those who aren't too impressed with your logic also have their right to say so.

"You have a good blog by the way. Keep it up."

Thanks. Yours is very interesting too. Am a regular reader btw although I don't usually comment because I have a feeling you're addressing a particular audience & am not it. Still you're always an interesting read.

9/02/2005 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger BP said...

"This obssession with what a woman chooses to cover or uncover is frankly quite ridiculous. As if we solved all our problems & now all we have left to worry about is fashion!"

Hijab is more than fashion. A woman's faith today gets judged by preachers according to the piece of cloth that they think should be on her hair. My problem is with those people. I don't care if all girls on earth became hijabed, but I do care when preachers on TV and in mosques judge a woman's faith by this phony measure.

Second, the spread of hijab is the result of a socioeconomic changes that started after the 1967 defeat and escalated when sadat used the islamists against the nasserites and communists. Hijab is only a byproduct of anthropological change. And I don't hide my concern towards this change and what it can develop into.

"But once you put an argument out in the public sphere those who aren't too impressed with your logic also have their right to say so."

Definitely

"although I don't usually comment because I have a feeling you're addressing a particular audience & am not it."

My posts reflect my opinions and my mood when I was posting. My audience is the last thing I think about, if I ever do so in the first place.

9/02/2005 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger LouLou said...

"My audience is the last thing I think about, if I ever do so in the first place."

Fair enough.

9/03/2005 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger LouLou said...

"Second, the spread of hijab is the result of a socioeconomic changes that started after the 1967 defeat and escalated when sadat used the islamists against the nasserites and communists."

Then you should address the socioeconomic & political factors that you feel are negative - rather than contribute to the over-politicization & worldwide mass hysteria about hijab.

All that does is cause people who believe in hijab to feel cornered & targeted because of their religion & their culture - not to mention that it would make women who are wearing it feel their freedom to dress as they wish is being threatened. None of that is going to produce very moderate or rational reactions. It's much more likely to backfire.

When Catholic nuns or monks feel like dressing a certain way or being celibate for life & the Catholic Church encourages people to make those choice, you don't find editorials in major political outlets being written about this. It's a personal/spiritual/religious choice & it should not be treated as anything other than that. If everyone on all sides stuck to that it would make life a lot easier for ALL women on our streets - hijabed or otherwise.

And let me say it again, we do have more pressing issues of concern. If you are so concerned about women's rights then why not talk more about honor-killings, female circumcision, discrimination in education & in employment, poverty, divorce, custody etc...issues that actually affect the quality of life for women & children. Women have a lot of rights besides their right to be Playboy centerfolds you know.

9/03/2005 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger BP said...

"Then you should address the socioeconomic & political factors that you feel are negative - rather than contribute to the over-politicization & worldwide mass hysteria about hijab."

Why is it that preachers on TV and in mosque have the freedom to preach that hijab is a fard and belittle the faith of an unveiled
girl, while you want to curb the freedom of anti-hijab thinkers, from voicing their opinions. Loulou, if they have the freedom to declare that hijab is a fard and that a girl's faith gets measured by it, I have the freedom to declare the opposite as well. You get the idea.

"When Catholic nuns or monks feel like dressing a certain way or being celibate for life & the Catholic Church encourages people to make those choice, you don't find editorials in major political outlets being written about this."

Sorry Loulou but comparing the hijab to a nun's dress is redicoulous. christian preachers don't preach 24/7 that a nun's clothes are fard and add to the points that a girl gets in heaven and that all girls should become nuns and those who don't gets a "lower grade" in haven. Not mentioning the devil hanging the girl from her hair!!

My friend in the cab is a very dedicated muslim girl..those idiots just can't belittle her faith because of a piece of cloth. No..she and I have the right to speak out.

N.B. On a different note, if you want more people to comment on your blog, consider adding Haloscan. Many readers don't have a Blogger account.

9/03/2005 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger LouLou said...

BP,

"Loulou, if they have the freedom to declare that hijab is a fard and that a girl's faith gets measured by it, I have the freedom to declare the opposite as well. "

We've already established that anyone has the freedom to say whatever they want BP. Am not threatening your freedom of speech & you don't need to defend it from me. That wasn't my point at all. My point was that the approach is counter-productive.

How many pro-hijab people have you convinced with this approach?Oh sure the anti-hijab crowd & the Islam-bashing gurus will love it but then isn't that just preaching to the choir?


"Christian preachers don't preach 24/7 that a nun's clothes are fard and add to the points that a girl gets in heaven and that all girls should become nuns and those who don't gets a "lower grade" in haven. Not mentioning the devil hanging the girl from her hair!!"

Preachers of all denominations can & will always preach whatever they choose. I can start a new religion tomorrow & declare that all humans who can't do 6 somersaults in a row are doomed to hell & any number of people can choose to follow me & break their necks learning how to do 6 somersaults in a row. It's called freedom of belief - provided am not calling for something violent.

No matter what faith you are or how devout you are there will be people out there who will believe you won't go to heaven. The question is why should you care?Faith & devoutness are something between you & God - not something you're called upon to prove to every cab driver in the street.

"On a different note, if you want more people to comment on your blog, consider adding Haloscan."

Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.

9/03/2005 03:12:00 PM  

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